勞退自提6%真的有差! 勞保局直接試算 - 薪水

By Yuri
at 2021-04-18T13:13
at 2021-04-18T13:13
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雖然該新聞本身的敘述跟智障沒兩樣
(每月提撥金額兩倍,如果最後產出不到兩倍才真的可以上新聞)
但部份推文的討論還是有些可以澄清/檢視錯誤觀念的部分
這部分從頭到尾基本上政府的投入極低,基本上不造成負擔
又都是個人帳戶制,跟恩給制的退撫或是現在大鍋飯制的勞保不同
看不出來有任何需要延後修法的必要。
同上段回覆,這個是固定總額的給付,你死亡了也得要全額還你
沒有什麼延遲給付的動機
推 amudi: 新制是不是即使滿15年 年齡沒到也無法退休吧? 04/17 21:29
對,請領條件要滿60歲
噓 magicPTT: 雇主幫你提6%退休月領1萬多,你再自提6%不就2萬多,小 04/17 21:31
關於政府基金的投資績效這點倒是值得有些討論的空間,印象中之前討論過
ETF或穩健標的投資的選項應該都可能比現在好
一樣,勞保勞退傻傻分不清楚
1.雇主提撥部分如果從勞工部分扣薪違法,請檢舉
2.這沒有領到幾歲賺不賺的問題,你每個月可以領多少都是從你的帳戶餘額扣的
印象中是用平均餘命84歲算的,沒領完死掉就是餘額親屬領走;
活到一百歲也不會領超過你的總額上限。
基本上勞退就是自己存自己的退休金,跟政府信用沒啥關係
政府唯一在這個面向的投資就是保證兩年定存利率,過去這十多年來看
也都幾乎沒用到這個預算撥補,都是基金自己的盈餘來分配。
主要差異在於你提領的時候已經沒有薪資收入,考慮免稅額來說的話應該會是比較省,
減稅效果其實還是對於高收入族群比較明顯,
對於20%,30%,40%稅率的人來說,提撥的金額直接就是少掉了對應的稅賦收入
如果是壓線20%稅率會少掉一堆社福補助的效果會更加強大。
這點也是可以從自提的大部分都是所得較高族群可以看出
https://www.rti.org.tw/news/view/id/2088459
節錄自新聞
勞保局指出,整體勞退新制勞工約710萬人中,平均薪資為40,261元,而有選擇自提的
71.1萬人,均薪則達6萬2,885元,顯示因爲自提可以不納入課稅,所以大多自提者為高薪
族。
勞退勞保搞不清楚combo*3
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(每月提撥金額兩倍,如果最後產出不到兩倍才真的可以上新聞)
但部份推文的討論還是有些可以澄清/檢視錯誤觀念的部分
→ misu2718: 樓下會被修法75歲才能退休領到 04/17 21:17
這部分從頭到尾基本上政府的投入極低,基本上不造成負擔
又都是個人帳戶制,跟恩給制的退撫或是現在大鍋飯制的勞保不同
看不出來有任何需要延後修法的必要。
推 O10lOl01O: 投資的概念? 04/17 21:27
→ jily: 等我75的時候 應該又修成100才能領吧 04/17 21:27
同上段回覆,這個是固定總額的給付,你死亡了也得要全額還你
沒有什麼延遲給付的動機
推 amudi: 新制是不是即使滿15年 年齡沒到也無法退休吧? 04/17 21:29
對,請領條件要滿60歲
噓 magicPTT: 雇主幫你提6%退休月領1萬多,你再自提6%不就2萬多,小 04/17 21:31
→ magicPTT: 時不讀書長大當記者 04/17 21:31
噓 visan5836: 每個月自提3000進去給政府亂作為 04/17 21:40
推 smilefish: 6%*2=12%,當然算出來是兩倍,真的是小時不讀書長大當 04/17 21:41
→ smilefish: 記者.... 04/17 21:41
推 jerry5020: 還可以減稅啦 04/17 21:48
→ jerry5020: 只是怕遇到被用來抬轎 04/17 21:49
關於政府基金的投資績效這點倒是值得有些討論的空間,印象中之前討論過
ETF或穩健標的投資的選項應該都可能比現在好
噓 t12927: 剩下多的錢也是我繳的,放那邊誰知道政府會不會亂搞,自 04/17 22:06
→ t12927: 己拿去投資比較實在 04/17 22:06
推 Aicha: 不自提,到我可以領得年紀勞保基金都不知道在不在 04/17 22:28
一樣,勞保勞退傻傻分不清楚
噓 ISCREDIBLE: 提撥真的是低能政策,繳了40年換來的是叫雇主提撥砍自 04/17 22:29
→ ISCREDIBLE: 己薪水,再加上通貨膨脹,算起來領超過75歲才會賺,40 04/17 22:29
→ ISCREDIBLE: 年後的1萬能幹嘛,連租房子都不夠了更何況吃飯生活 04/17 22:29
1.雇主提撥部分如果從勞工部分扣薪違法,請檢舉
2.這沒有領到幾歲賺不賺的問題,你每個月可以領多少都是從你的帳戶餘額扣的
印象中是用平均餘命84歲算的,沒領完死掉就是餘額親屬領走;
活到一百歲也不會領超過你的總額上限。
推 tim790809: 阿不就兩倍= = 04/17 22:51
噓 Zhang274: 存進去然後花不到 呵呵 04/17 22:52
→ tim790809: 雖然可少繳稅,但自己拿這筆錢投資說不定更多 04/17 22:52
→ mm5566t: 然後一個月2萬怎活? 04/17 22:59
推 Jruffian: 問一下,勞退可以一次領回嗎? 04/17 23:27
→ loadingN: 要等你退休 這個話題基本上已經討論到爛了 簡單說就是把 04/17 23:28
→ loadingN: 自提的部分當投資 風險自己承擔 不能接受就別自提 04/17 23:29
推 mopackm53637: 勞退不可能被砍啦,提撥的是個人帳戶,不是勞保喔 04/17 23:34
推 michaelgodtw: 但是不知道勞退會不會改,照這樣算,勞退四萬拿一 04/17 23:44
→ michaelgodtw: 萬多,那勞保四萬 04/17 23:44
→ michaelgodtw: 那勞保四萬應該是ㄧ萬多,然後勞保會破產 04/17 23:46
→ michaelgodtw: 老年後,ㄧ個月費就是兩萬多,不能生病 04/17 23:47
噓 GrayHS: 沒人考慮國祚? 04/17 23:52
噓 getbacker: 繳6+6=12%的最後可以領到繳6%的兩倍,這個小學生都知道 04/18 00:08
噓 xxgogg: 啊不就是自己的錢嗎 04/18 00:18
→ Antihsieh: ㄏ 04/18 01:16
推 susuper: 新聞乾脆把薪水50趴存起來 30年後真的有差 你多了50趴 04/18 06:29
→ susuper: 薪水的退休金 阿不都自己的錢 04/18 06:29
推 amethystboy: 退休金這件事 政府沒有信用 04/18 07:00
基本上勞退就是自己存自己的退休金,跟政府信用沒啥關係
政府唯一在這個面向的投資就是保證兩年定存利率,過去這十多年來看
也都幾乎沒用到這個預算撥補,都是基金自己的盈餘來分配。
噓 mastoid: 減稅??? 領的時候也會算所得稅啊,減在哪裡?? 04/18 08:05
主要差異在於你提領的時候已經沒有薪資收入,考慮免稅額來說的話應該會是比較省,
減稅效果其實還是對於高收入族群比較明顯,
對於20%,30%,40%稅率的人來說,提撥的金額直接就是少掉了對應的稅賦收入
如果是壓線20%稅率會少掉一堆社福補助的效果會更加強大。
這點也是可以從自提的大部分都是所得較高族群可以看出
https://www.rti.org.tw/news/view/id/2088459
節錄自新聞
勞保局指出,整體勞退新制勞工約710萬人中,平均薪資為40,261元,而有選擇自提的
71.1萬人,均薪則達6萬2,885元,顯示因爲自提可以不納入課稅,所以大多自提者為高薪
族。
推 taipoo: 勞退基金都快要破產了,還洗腦民眾繼續加錢,這種政府真無 04/18 08:35
→ taipoo: 良 04/18 08:35
勞退勞保搞不清楚combo*3
→ faniour: 錢奴哥先搞清楚勞保跟勞退再出來 04/18 09:43
推 GoGoJoe: 錢放別人那邊,還不能想領就領,跟本有.... 04/18 12:47
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